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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2012, 08:05:52 PM »
TP or GOP, whatever, the fact is they were massively out maneuvered during the election and in the time after the election around the so called 'fiscal cliff'.   The GOP needs to admit, that they have lost the argument and move on to things they can actually win on.  Bottom line, right now, the american public wants more benefits.  They would rather pay more (at least some segment) taxes than cut spending on medicare/social security bennies.  Sad, but true.  The GOP got beat on fiscal issues as much on social issues...

We need to go over the cliff so voters can start paying for the spending they voted for. Maybe they'll think twice about the Dem's spending if the money starts coming out of their pockets at a higher rate.
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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2012, 12:18:14 AM »
There is no mandate justifying more benefits. At best you have 130 million folks voting for 330 million and the vote is split nearly 50/50. Just because one holds a majority does not mean the other has to abandon their principles.

That's where this mess started, both sides working together in spite of their principles!

Talk about COLLUSION, INSIDER TRADING & FRAUD???

The GOP doesn't need to "change" to be more inclusive, it simply needs to change "how" it delivers its message. Most Latino and black folks I know are EXTREMELY religious, more so than any redneck I know.

Romney would have won had he spent even 1/2hr on the south side of Chicago... Giving up on people is the problem. It perpetuates the racial divide and media stereotypes all because they aren't located in a "swing state."

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2012, 03:30:44 PM »
There is no mandate justifying more benefits. At best you have 130 million folks voting for 330 million and the vote is split nearly 50/50. Just because one holds a majority does not mean the other has to abandon their principles.

That's where this mess started, both sides working together in spite of their principles!

Talk about COLLUSION, INSIDER TRADING & FRAUD???

The GOP doesn't need to "change" to be more inclusive, it simply needs to change "how" it delivers its message. Most Latino and black folks I know are EXTREMELY religious, more so than any redneck I know.

Romney would have won had he spent even 1/2hr on the south side of Chicago... Giving up on people is the problem. It perpetuates the racial divide and media stereotypes all because they aren't located in a "swing state."
Romney would have won if the media was not in the tank for barrack.  Fox news cant tow the line against all the other networks that most un-informed got their tidbit bashing points from.  "Romney is for rich"  "Bad econ is bush's fault"  These two leftist rhetoric were hammered over and over rallying the un-informed, and the moochers.  There is no other reason.  And there is not much that can be done until the pain gets real bad forcing the ignorant to question what they have been fed.
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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 11:14:03 AM »
Romney would have won if the media was not in the tank for barrack.  Fox news cant tow the line against all the other networks that most un-informed got their tidbit bashing points from.  "Romney is for rich"  "Bad econ is bush's fault"  These two leftist rhetoric were hammered over and over rallying the un-informed, and the moochers.  There is no other reason.  And there is not much that can be done until the pain gets real bad forcing the ignorant to question what they have been fed.

I do not discount the media bias. But there is a group of black people in Chitcago called the "think squad" which is comprised of mostly community elders/bigwigs and they know Oblamer is full of crap. Earlier this year there were interviews where these people said they feel abandoned by not only Oblamer but because the GOP won't recognize them. They said all Romney had to do was come and talk to them and their community would more than likely vote for Romney because their values more closely align with the GOP. Blacks as a whole don't like gay marriage, broken families, welfare and abortions any more than the GOP does.

The GOP needs to look at ALL STATES as being "swing states" and spend time getting their message to EVERYONE, even the folks at 87th and MLK Drive. Just drive the GOP bus right into Hyde Park and set up a campaign event and bypass the media message IN PERSON.

As it stands today, Romney was in Illinois once the whole campaign year and where did he go?

He went to a factory in WHITE BREAD Elk Grove Village.

No wonder Illinois remains a demonrat stronghold, the only time a GOP candidate comes here it's to shore up their base, never do they try and take their message to the other side.

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 03:32:53 PM »
GOP needs to at least campaign for votes other than white bread neighborhoods.  Make every demographic group a target.  On a percentage basis the group with the most immigration growth (%) is asian.  That group as a voting block is solidly democratic by far. 
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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2013, 01:53:26 PM »
There is no mandate justifying more benefits. At best you have 130 million folks voting for 330 million and the vote is split nearly 50/50. Just because one holds a majority does not mean the other has to abandon their principles.

That's where this mess started, both sides working together in spite of their principles!

Talk about COLLUSION, INSIDER TRADING & FRAUD???

The GOP doesn't need to "change" to be more inclusive, it simply needs to change "how" it delivers its message. Most Latino and black folks I know are EXTREMELY religious, more so than any redneck I know.

Romney would have won had he spent even 1/2hr on the south side of Chicago... Giving up on people is the problem. It perpetuates the racial divide and media stereotypes all because they aren't located in a "swing state."
Romney would have won if the media was not in the tank for barrack.  Fox news cant tow the line against all the other networks that most un-informed got their tidbit bashing points from.  "Romney is for rich"  "Bad econ is bush's fault"  These two leftist rhetoric were hammered over and over rallying the un-informed, and the moochers.  There is no other reason.  And there is not much that can be done until the pain gets real bad forcing the ignorant to question what they have been fed.
The truth hurt Romney and what you say is true.  The media hammered Romney on true facts.  Like "Chrysler is going to move all jeep production to China" (something Romney's group would have done).  Romney was/is for only the wealthy and the bad economy started with Bush, both honest facts.

The truth set him free!  I don't think he really wanted to be president anyway.

BTW - what do you think of Paul Ryan supporting and voting for the Fiscal Cliff deal?  Defying that wadswallower Cantor and going along with "There's a tear in my beer" Boehner?   Guess Ryan aint a tea party member.   Maybe there's hope for the GOP.  Now if they can sweep those demented douchebag tea baggers out of the  party - they may be able to represent true and rational conservatives.   Who knows - Ryan might join Crist and become a Democrat. 

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2013, 11:05:37 AM »
Vote for the same, you'll get the same. It was bad before, but now its 2% worse.  :thumbdown:

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2013, 01:24:29 PM »
http://news.msn.com/politics/gov-christie-more-ready-to-run-for-president-in-2016

I think they need to find someone people actually like. Maybe even a movie star, try to get some of the idiot votes. Keep in mind, four years from now, things will be MUCH WORSE than they are now. Zombie attacks on a daily basis and unemployment closer to 60%. Going to be real hard to vote out socialism once it is firmly in place. The 2012 election needed to be much more aggressive. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.... twice in a role.  :banghead:

Sad days coming boys and girls.  It's going to be a real challenge to make your kids lives better than yours once was.  :thumbdown:

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2013, 03:04:07 PM »
http://news.msn.com/politics/gov-christie-more-ready-to-run-for-president-in-2016

Christie may think he's ready, and the national news media may think he's ready, but this is going to cost him if he runs for the Republican nomination...

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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) on TODAY said that despite New Jersey having some of the toughest gun laws in the country, that banning guns is not enough. Im willing to have that conversation, Christie said of a federal ban on powerful, high-capacity weapons, but youve got to deal with these other issues.

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2013, 03:25:24 PM »
http://news.msn.com/politics/gov-christie-more-ready-to-run-for-president-in-2016

Christie may think he's ready, and the national news media may think he's ready, but this is going to cost him if he runs for the Republican nomination...

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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) on TODAY said that despite New Jersey having some of the toughest gun laws in the country, that banning guns is not enough. Im willing to have that conversation, Christie said of a federal ban on powerful, high-capacity weapons, but youve got to deal with these other issues.

complete story

agreed, he won't get the nomination if that is what is going to keep coming from his mouth.  might as well pack his tent now.
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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2013, 03:45:10 PM »
be careful, Christie said he was willing to have a conversation.  Did not say he was willing to sponsor legislation or that he thought it was a great idea, etc, but what he was really saying is that you can't have a conversation just about guns, have to also include mental health, violent culture, etc.  The republican presidential candidates cannot let themselves be boxed in like they have in the past, IMO.  IE, Romney went too far to the right in the primary and could not come back to the middle in the general. 
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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2013, 06:07:16 PM »
In the circles I frequent, Christie has about an equal chance as Mitt. He's not wildly liked because he doesn't stand firm on principle, he's made many gaffes nationally and he's just a freaking governor. HOWEVER, Mitt could have won the election had he been advised by Bill Whittle, so maybe Christie can too. But I think Christie is too much of a centrist, which is still left of the "actual" or "real" majority.

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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2013, 09:17:12 AM »
Obuntcake played it very well. He kept pushing "tax the rich" got the whole population thinking that the rich were evil (that they were the cause of the bad economy), and who was going against him ? Mitt da richy rich.... 

Getting Christie into the mix is like getting Walker into the mix. For whatever reason people don't like them b/c they made some hard choices to keep their states floating. Those hard choices is what we need right now, but when you have so much of the population working for the state or federal government - their voice makes the headlines, while all the other common folks paying the bills get drowned out.




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Re: Republican Party disintegrating - who will replace it?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2013, 09:34:04 AM »
Obuntcake played it very well. He kept pushing "tax the rich" got the whole population thinking that the rich were evil (that they were the cause of the bad economy), and who was going against him ? Mitt da richy rich.... 

Getting Christie into the mix is like getting Walker into the mix. For whatever reason people don't like them b/c they made some hard choices to keep their states floating. Those hard choices is what we need right now, but when you have so much of the population working for the state or federal government - their voice makes the headlines, while all the other common folks paying the bills get drowned out.

I did get a laugh out of Walkers reelection.
Didn't he get a larger percentage of votes in the recall than he did in the regular election?
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